I guess all the pretense is gone now.
[h/t Blue Texan]
Wait, Didn’t Rick Warren Pretend to Respect Obama Just Four Years Ago?
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Wherever there is homophobia, there is going to be other sins. Sin begets sin. Unrepentant homophobes are never to be trusted.
And pastors like Rick Warren lie through their teeth.
“Homophobia” is an overused “catch-word” thrown out there whenever someone wants to ad hoc demonize someone with non-homosexual viewpoint. It’s like someone playing the “race-card” whenever they want to discredit someone of a different race. Some idiots think that all you have to do is add “-phobe” to the end of ANY word and POW—automatically you’ve discredited your opponent. How mentally stunted can you get.
There’s no substance to it anymore. It’s been played out. Any one who disagrees with ANY homosexual over ANY reason (the price of tea in China) is now a “homophobe”. Ridiculous. Get a better argument. That’s an insult to any halfway intelligent person.
At least be honest. Yes, there are true homophobes out there, but to label ALL OF HUMANITY that disagrees with homosexuality as homophobes is pathetic. It would be much more accurate, and intellectually honest to say “anti-homosexual” or “non-homosexual”, but homophobe? Really? What is this, 1950? I don’t think so. Most people today that are opposed to homosexuality aren’t homophobic, they’re anti-homosexuality. There is a BIG difference. Phobia means fear. Paranoid terror. Maybe backs 20 or 30 years ago that would be the case, but not now. Now it is plain and simple opposition and disaffection for homosexuality, but not some scaredy-cat fear of getting cooties from being around the gay person.
And BTW, a WHOLE LOT of us are getting sick and tired of your HETEROPHOBIC, ANTI-HETERO b******t too. Two can play that.
So next time “homophobe” begins to roll of your damn tongue, look in the mirror and take a good look at the heterophobe saying it.
Its OK Joe.
Grab a glass of cool water, take a deep breath and take your meds. I know you feel persecuted but you aren’t being, really.
Stop lying Joe. Homophobia is still every bit as real as racism.
Anyone who wishes harm upon gay people is a homophobe. It really is that simple.
Homophobia is as accurate a term as it was decades ago. You bigots are just as afraid of us as you were then, if not more so.
Telling bigoted heterosexuals to mind their own damn business instead of just rolling over and letting them control our lives is not “heterophobia”. Unlike you child-murdering bigots we have no reason to be ashamed of ourselves when we look in the mirror.
Can anyone explain to me where this “teleprompter” thing came from? Every politician uses a teleprompter and always has. Are they not teleprompters when Republicans use them?
Every four years we’re treated to all the crazies coming out of the woodwork. In our children’s lifetimes, the world will be a burning, impoverished, overpopulated hellhole and the world we knew as children will seem like a fairy tale to them — and this is what the crazies think we’re supposed to care about? Teleprompters?
And what’s with that homophobe who posted at #3?
“Some idiots think that all you have to do is add “-phobe” to the end of ANY word and POW—automatically you’ve discredited your opponent. How mentally stunted can you get.”
“a WHOLE LOT of us are getting sick and tired of your HETEROPHOBIC, ANTI-HETERO b******t too.”
By your own words, you have labeled yourself a mentally stunted idiot.
The reason it is used so often is that so many still speak and act out of the fear of GLBTs that was instilled in them by charlatans. The very same fear that has existed for quite some time now. You speak of honesty, but want to downplay this. If it were merely a disagreement with homosexuality, that would not be a problem. However, you and those like you have a very bad habit of redefining words to suit your agenda. Disagreement to you lot seems to be fighting to deny the very same rights that you clearly take for granted, perhaps even abuse. Disagreement to you also seems to mean incriminating anyone different, and trying to make it acceptable to assault, even kill them (or in a female’s case, rape them). Again, your post conflicts with your call for honesty, and betrays your real reason for your outrage over the title “homophobe”. You do not like it when your targets fight back. You prefer the GLBT community to stay silent and continue taking the abuse you heap upon them.
To add to your hypocrisy, you accuse them of demonization while complaining of some alleged offense against you and applying it to the entire community. Unlike you it seems, they are smart enough to realize that we sane straight people (who really don’t make a big deal about their attractions, and support them because it’s the right, American thing to do) exist, and we outnumber you lot.
Yes Aulton it would be a problem if it was “just a disagreement”. My existance is not subject to debate.
I don’t get it when one says they disagree with homosexuality. I know what they mean, or think I do, but it sounds like they’re saying they don’t believe it exists. It’s an orientation, not an opinion.
@justme Republicans use freedomprompters.
@Rick Warren I read The Pourpose Driven Life. You’re a shitty writer.
Perhaps I should have worded that better, Rainbow. Disagreement does not have a real context in such discussions. I would say THAT is the word that has no substance anymore. It is merely a word use to mask how the opposition really feels.
I agree largely with Joe on this one, maybe just without the caps lock going on.
I’m obviously a conservative, but I have no alleged fear of homosexuals. I was raised in very much a liberal community, both of my parents were liberal. But I came about my beliefs independently; I wasn’t personally lied to by “charlatans.” I harbor no ill-will towards anyone in particular, or anyone in general.
I know somebody’s going to accuse me of otherwise. But still, I try and let it be known that plenty of people, of the non “wing-nut” variety, as you like to call them, just oppose certain ideological measures. That’s all.
I commend your honesty in opposition. If only your friend shared such. However, it is the methods used in said opposition that raises suspicion, gives people good reason to believe that ill will is indeed involved.
If it were indeed a matter of beliefs, then the existence of gays, lesbians, bi and trans people, and acknowledgement of such, would not warrant such animosity. It really shouldn’t matter who’s on the picture sitting on your co-worker’s desk or in his or her locker, pocket, wallet, etc. It shouldn’t matter who he or she gets e-mails from (and honestly, I think that says very bad things about the person shoulder-surfing to read other’s e-mails anyway).
From what I’ve witnessed, that opposition is simply rife with double standards. With but one pronoun, or even a certain name if not clarified, what is normally a description of how one’s weekend or leave went suddenly gets interpreted as someone “shoving one’s sexuality in one’s face”. As long as they’re the opposite gender, two people can maul each other in public and nobody bats an eye. Yet if two of the same gender are considered too close physically, it’s “shoving one’s sexuality in one’s face”. In essence, it is akin than the “heritage, not hate” argument in defense of the confederate flag. Even at an early age, it made no sense to me.
I hope you understand why such opposition is questioned.
I think Joe Parka is another self-loathing closet case. Most straight guys who are comfortable with their sexuality would not even be reading this site; and they definitely wouldn’t be here ranting. Also, Parka inferred that the term ‘homophobia’ is some outdated word ‘from the 50s’ – wrong. The first time I ever heard it was in the early 70s (a few years after Stonewall) and I originally saw it as homoerotiphobia, which was quickly shortened to what we use today.
[Moderator’s note to Rainbow Phoenix: Please refrain from calling commenters liars without evidence, and please stop projecting assumed intent onto others. Instead, please cite specific statements by other commenters and then factually refute them. Thank you. –Mike]
@ Aulton Well I think the religious right’s idea of a utopia involves NO ONE talking about sex ever.
Joe said “Any one who disagrees with ANY homosexual over ANY reason (the price of tea in China) is now a “homophobe”.”.
That’s an outrageous lie. No one is called a homophobe for anything other than expressing anti-gay ideas. No gay person calls someone a homophobe because that gay thinks red is the best colour for a car and someone else disagrees.
You pompously command the people you’re haranguing to be honest when you yourself start off with an absurd dishonesty. No one can take you seriously when you make such obviously false statements.
Joe– you’re right. homophobia is not a great word. It was coined about 45 years ago, a different time and circumstances. Properly defined, it is not the fear of homosexuals, it is the fear that you, yourself, are homosexual. Freud called it projection.
That being said, the better word ir homobigotry– homo divorced from its greek roots and made into a shortcut for homosexual. Or even anti-homosexual or anti-gay bigotry, if you don’t like shortcuts.
You see, not all bigotry is hate, fear, ignorance, stupidity, or unconscious this-is-how-I-was-brought-up. A good portion of bigotry– the part that you seem to partake in– is the wholly unwarranted belief in the always assumed, omnipresent belief in your own otherwise wholly imaginary superiority.
Couple THAT with a belief that your wholly imaginary superiority entitles you to make up stuff about people that you don’t know, know nothing about, and who have done you and intend you no harm, and thereby use the coercive power of the state to disadvantage and harm THEM…
well, then you have what I call a homobigot.
This is what you get when you hold out your hand to scum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-TlRi_uj4
Ben said “Properly defined, it is not the fear of homosexuals, it is the fear that you, yourself, are homosexual.”.
Gary said the term was originally homoerotiphobia, which was quickly shortened to homophobia. Based on the original word which means “Fear of homoeroticism” I think its an accurate and apropriate phrase for what most anti-gay bigots are feeling.
“Leaders speak from conviction.
Actors speak from teleprompters”.
Well, assuming Warren’s talking about presidents, then yes, Ronald Reagan did speak from teleprompters – just as every other president presumably did since the device was invented. Before that, they used old-fashioned notes.
Scientists speak from evidence-based reality.
Religious leaders speak from superstition-based fantasy.